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  1. wishbeaunash

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    I don’t know if Russian efforts influenced the outcome of the referendum, and if I had to guess I’d say probably not. Tabloid propaganda campaigns of anti-EU propaganda have been going for a long time and there are plenty of other reasons people might have voted for it.

    But they certainly tried, and we certainly need to find out what went on and what impact they had.

    The sneering disinterest in even finding out displayed by so many comments here is completely staggering to me. (unless the bots are here too, but lets not get that paranoid yet!) It all seems to be essentially saying ‘pah, I don’t like the idea anyone could have interfered, so let’s just not even bother to find out!’.

    At the moment we simply do not know the scale of Russian interference and yet any time there is an article exposing some new form most of the comments on this sub amount to ‘Only (the amount of money or form of interference exposed in this particular article)? How could that possibly affect anything?’

    The sum of it all is what matters, and that is exactly what we do not yet understand and desperately ought to.

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  2. nitssh

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    What I’m finding interesting from this thread is that pre-Brexit people lost their shit over the idea of an external entity interfering with British laws/politics/etc. Now we’re post-Brexit and have suspected interference from a different external entity the same people couldn’t give a toss because “we won, get over it.”

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  3. JoJoeyJoJo

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Honestly, I think focusing on the Russians here is the looking in the wrong direction, I’m sure they were pretty happy with the result, but if you follow the money I’m sure a lot comes from the US or Australia – or specifically from billionaires like those funding Legatum institute – disaster capitalists.

    This country has privatised basically everything it can, cut services to the bone, there’s no more money to be made without a big economic shock like Brexit. Companies will collapse, US trade treaties will open up the NHS to insurance providers, people might die as supermarket just-in-time logistics chains crash against hard borders that weren’t there the day before. But when the dust clears, some people will have made a lot of money.

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  4. Signa_Altitudinis

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Correction Leavers don’t care. They have mastered the doublethink of believing that voting to damage our relationship with close allies and our own economy at the encouragement of the Russian state is the patriotic thing to do.

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  5. Pn_qeic_snt

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

    Between 2010 and 2014 there were 87 opinion polls of EU membership. Leave won 48 times, meaning 55% of the polls.

    Are people seriously claiming that Russia is the reason people don’t like the EU?

    Stick to moaning about the Daily Mail, at least there’s a plausible case to be made there.

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  6. philanchez

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    I am as concerned about Russian interference in elections as I am by the influence of owners of large media conglomerates, the CIA, MI6, and other western intelligence agencies. Honestly, kinda funny watching the US in particular flip it’s shit about Russian twitter bots when our intelligence agencies literally send money to political parties in other countries and pay the salaries of some politicians. Not to mention the multiple times we literally just helped kill whoever we didn’t like.

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  7. Cell_one

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    UK has been banging on the brexit door for like 20 years. By UK maybe I should have said The Tories. No matter how much I dislike leaving for the wrong reasons. The EU is not like the end all be all of any successful nation. Many EU countries are not doing so well economically. Influence has come from within, Britain did not join the single currency or schengen open border agreement.

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  8. MrZakalwe

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    I’d care more if somebody could tell me how it’s different from basically everybody else with some power trying to influence the Brexit vote.

    Shit loads of folks tried to influence that vote.

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  9. FuckingWhiteCisMale

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Rupert Murdoch did the same thing. Did Australia meddle in the election too?

    The Independent has been Russian for 7 years now. That’s 2 elections AND 2 referendums they’ve meddled in!

    The Head of the Bank of England, that had *plenty* to say about Brexit, is Canadian. So Canada too?

    Anyone even want to remember Donald Tusk? The Polish man that works for the EU that said something new daily and still does. So Poland AND the EU meddled as well.

    By nutty remainers standards, EVERY country in the world meddled in Brexit. This is tragic, and comically desperate.

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  10. TOAME

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    I have to say I’m just not surprised by this kind of thing anymore. Governments interfere with eachother all the time. I’m sure our own government is doing its fair share of influencing other nations.

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  11. almost_not_terrible

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Let’s say that I am trying to influence US gun policy via social media? (I’m from the UK).

    Should I be permitted to do so? Of course.

    What sanctions should the US have against me? None.

    Social media is not a regulated company. If national newspapers and broadcast media have to adhere to anti-bias standards to operate, then fine, but expect “the truth” from your Facebook feed and you are fucked.

    This is about large newspaper owners losing influence and public influence being available to the people willing to pay the most for advertising slots, something the advertising industry have been doing since forever, it’s just that now the medium has changed.

    Are you permitted to post your radical opinion to a church door? If you like, yes. If you want control, don’t let people vote. If you want democracy, your argument better be well communicated, and bear in mind that your opponent may be a very large government.

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  12. Slyder

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Anyone. ANYONE! can pay a group of Russian hackers to do a job – and it’s super easy. It doesn’t mean Vlad and his Russian posse are going to come to town.

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  13. Chooseday

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Plenty of other countries also influenced the vote, how is this even a headline?

    Why the fuck is everyone constantly vilifying Russia as a scapegoat now? There’s plenty of stuff that they actually do wrong which you could legitimately criticise them for instead.

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  14. Schump97

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    We should explore the extent and nature of Russian interference. However, it doesn’t affect the legitimacy of the outcome. Unless ballots were rigged we all voted with free will, and voters are entitled to take information from any source, including Russian fake news / bots etc.

    We should try to stop the influence but influence doesn’t invalidate the result.

    PS I voted Remain

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  15. Alberttherandy

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Omg the russian retweeted some randos tweet. Its been seen by 28 people……….democracy is dead 😂

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  16. kriptonicx

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    What I don’t understand about this is that we’re talking mostly about unverified anonymous Twitter accounts tweeting fake news. Is this really that much of a threat to our democracy? Any individual, company, or country can and does do this.

    YouTube, Facebook and Twitter constantly censor right-wing viewpoints, does this not influence elections? What about people like George Soros who has consistently tried to affect the result of elections? what about Obama who used the US economy to effectively blackmail the UK to vote a certain way? What about the heards of celebs who came out in support of remain? Is this not an issue? Because what worries me is that the left loses it’s shit when any celeb/company comes out in support of Trump/Brexit, yet when people like Lily Allen, J.K Rowling or Bob Geldof come out in support of remain they only get compliments. Does this toxic political environment not influencing elections too? Is that not a problem?

    I’m fed up with hearing this shit. It’s always so one sided. Our bias culture in which people can only discuss left-wing views is way more of a problem than some anonymous Twitter account with a Russian IP tweeting pro-Brexit content.

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  17. SecretoMagister

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    So did Obama.

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  18. easy_pie

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Not sure what you can do about it really. It seems inevitable that there is going to be propaganda on the internet. The only thing I can think of really is that mainstream journalists need to do better at being trustworthy. Everyone has got so used to them bullshitting about everything their word simply isn’t trusted.

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  19. munkijunk

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Russia is at war with the West and no one in the West could give a fuck. Surkov would be proud of how pathetic we’ve been with dealing with the on going threat from Russia that was only thawed from the cold war to 1999 when Putin killed his own people to get a firm grasp on power. I mean fuck, we have an admitted state sponsored Russian propoganda machine RT operating daily here with no consequence. How the fuck is this allowed?! Russia has a clear agenda, destroy the EU, destabilise the US and prevent globalisation that threthens Russian interests, and we’re playing along day by day.

    We’ve gotten to the stage of the non linear war where they tell you what they’re doing and how they’re funding everyone and some of that’s true and some false, but all of it makes you doubt any organisation active for change.

    I feel we are pretty much beaten at this stage. It’s a chess game where we’ve only the pawns left and they have all their pieces. I want to see a fight back, but we’ve let these cunts dig too deep into our society. Forget Brexit, they’re running the show now.

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  20. j1sy

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    ‘Something I disagree with has happened. It can’t possibly be that I am in a minority. I shall instead blame an external influence’ – all of the left forever

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  21. Lolworth

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    What a Russophobe

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  22. ruizscar

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Reasons not to care:

    1. Somebody was eventually going to realise the power of social media spamming to influence votes

    2. It happened to be Russia, but could have just as easily been Arron Banks, or anyone with >100k to invest

    3. It will happen again, and again, and again. Every time more cost-effectively

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  23. -Banana_Cake

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Saudi Arabians and Israel basically own this country and no-one cares.

    America constantly blackmails us into war and trade deals and no-one cares.

    Davos men and George Soros basically dictate our political and immigration policy and no-one cares.

    A few twitter accounts with a Russian IP have opinions on Brexit and suddenly Liberals turn in xenophobic nationalists because they lost the referendum.

    I couldn’t give less of a shit about Russia when the Liberals who are moaning about this now have been trying to dismantle Britain and sell it to the globalists for decades.

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  24. PatrickRiarchy

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    They probably did try to influence it. The UK or almost any other nation would have done the same if such an opportunity arose.

    If the nation wasn’t being pulled apart by politicians within its own borders then I would be angrier at Russia than I am. As it is any energy I’m willing to exert in this regard gets directed at my own government first and once I feel they have some form of moral high ground or aren’t trying to run the country into the fucking dirt I’ll join them in them in calling out Russian bullshit.

    The Russian government are a bunch of cunts if they influence an election to further their own interests but we have the same breed of cunts running the country who are doing exactly the same. Are we pretending that Russia are the ones who called the referendum? Was it them who threw away the Conservative majority?

    The brutal truth is that if Russia did influence these things, it’s not because of the actual event of Brexit or the election; it’s because they see a nation of people who have grown disillusioned with the status quo of being continuously screwed over. That disillusionment has got nothing to do with Russia. It’s to do with a UK political class that is too far removed from ordinary people and who doesn’t seem to care about them.

    People are getting desperate for change and they know this.

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  25. TheBestIsaac

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

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  26. yeast_problem

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    It was not the Russians, it was Cambridge Analytica, funded by Trumps mate.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

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  27. chestypants12

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    ‘Pro EU propaganda’. Trying to sell Europe to Europeans? Seems legit. /SARCASM

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  28. Lanky_Giraffe

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    These claims are completely absurd. If Russia tampered with the ballots or prevented people from voting, then that would be serious.

    But let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. They published some untrue news stories, and they paid some people to be rascist and outlandish on the Internet. People don’t seriously consider that “meddling” in an election do they?

    And ultimately, if Russian efforts did swing the election, it’s because they convinced members of the British electorate to vote for Brexit, not because they hacked the election. This is what democracy is all about is it not? At the end of the day, the British people have the right to vote for whoever or whatever they want, and they are not obliged to justify their choice if they don’t want to. If people choose to believe outright lies on the Internet funded by the Russian government, and then vote with those lies in mind, then that is their right. They are not voting that way because the Russians forced them to, but because they read an untrue story and became convinced that voting for Brexit would be the right thing to do.

    Did Russia have a concerted effort to make Brexit more likely? Probably. Did they swing the result? Maybe. Is what they did undemocratic, or an attack on British sovereignty? No. The British people still voted for Brexit by their own choice.

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  29. seius

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    So if foreign governments being involved in elections is a bad thing, does that apply to everyone or just Russia?

    Will Israel finally be called out on influencing elections?

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  30. Brexit-the-thread

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    In other news, western intelligence influences the elections of their rivals too because Newsflash: The Cold/Shadow war never really ends, the same kind of people are in charge now as there were in the 50s War Mongering sociopathic political hacks run the system from near top to bottom.

    …And no one cares.

    Why does nobody care? why it’s quite simple, information overload.

    Certain interests are aware that by bombarding people with tons of virtually useless information about corruption, fraud and collusion they can effectively desensitize people to such things.

    No government is trustworthy, every political party is built on lies, all Intelligence agencies act with impunity and with no regard for the common human good and All “Trusted” News sources are but the pillars upon which the indoctrination to serve an uncaring system is built

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  31. __JonnyG

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    It was obvious that Russian oligarchs influenced Brexit two years ago & It’s obvious now.

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  32. xu85

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    >James o’ Brian

    dropped.

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  33. april9th

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Brexit: A vote split majorly across generations; old more leave, young more remain

    Social media: usage split majorly across generations, far more young using than old

    Premise: Social media bots swung a vote.

    I doubt it? I think the BBC having Farage on QT every other week, or the building islamophobia alongside massive posters saying Turkey is joining and we can’t stop them, or promises to take money being pumped into bureaucracy, and putting it directly into the EU, is what swung it.

    If liberals look at Brexit and Trump and think their liberal democracies are in peril, and their reaction is cocoon themselves from any sort of agency by making this a matter of foreign agents a world away over cyberspace, then they have truly lost.

    I think a lot of people are going to look back on this period and the lack of commitment, paired with a resignation to some immaterial poison on the ether that there’s nothing to be done about, will be an absolute embarrassment. Brexit was built on people being called bigots by prime ministers on the campaign trail, not by some Russian botnet on social media the bulk of said voters aren’t on. They may as well be talking about the role VK posts played on the over-65s.

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  34. AStupidBloodyYank

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    as I was trying to tell my American compatriots on /r/politics – I work in digital advertising (and specifically use Facebook Ads everyday) and $150k is so little exposure for what they were wanting to do its painful.

    At max, they bought 150k clicks. This is not an inconsequential amount, but it is when you realise America is 320,000,000 people.

    I imagine it was something similar for the UK, like a drop in the bucket on advertising. Fuck, Waitrose probably spend more money on Facebook Ads than the Russian government lol.

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  35. piluti

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    Nobody cares because it’s to be expected. Every major nation has been doing this to each other since the dawn of democracy. If you think the UK and US aren’t trying similar stuff in Russia and countless other countries, you are wearing blinkers.

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  36. ishouldgotobed

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

    We need to stop the elderly, over cooked steak eating brexit voters from being influenced by the Russians on social media. This sub is a joke.

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  37. Anonymous

    November 15, 2017 at 2:27 am

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